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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:30 pm

So my gun broke and has been falling apart for the last year or so, so I've decided (and gotten my wife to go along) that I need a new gun. I want one that I can use for years to come, that I can fix instead of replace. I have looked at lots of dif guns, mainly m16 types. I've looked at DBoy, G&G, KWA, Marui, Classic Army, ICS, etc. I really like the kwa, but scott pointed out that they have some unique parts that limit aftermarket upgrades/repairs. Same with the ICS. I want to be as close to 400 fps as possible. Most recently I was looking at getting a used ICS, but then....

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K, so I was doing some research and heard some things about the older ICS guns (which the one that I found is older) that made me nervous, so now Im looking at getting

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_218&products_id=28320

G&G is pretty good, right? It comes with a tight bore supposedly, which is nice. Dont know how tight though, so I may still have to get a new barrel eventually. If Im not mistaken it also has fewer unique parts than the ICS or KWA. What do you think?

What do you guys think?
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Post by Panzerfaust on Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:42 pm

G&G is going to be your best bet for longevity, quality, durability, and importantly aftermarket parts compatibility. You're going to be able to do almost anything with that rifle. I think you'll be very satisfied with it. Buy a systema M120S spring with it and that'll put you right on the 400 mark.

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Post by Ninja Scott on Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:09 pm

Agreed! I wish that I would have known that when I bought my CA.

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Post by reidc on Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:42 pm

Add an aftermarket hop up to it. I was speaking with Grifon a couple weeks ago and he mentioned that every G&G he has purchased has had to have the hop up replaced. (He owns 5 or more).

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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:50 pm

Good to know. I'll prob have to make do with the OEM hopup for a little while, but when I do want to replace it what do you recommend? Links preferably.

Also, are there any parts I should replace when I put the m120 in there, or is it good to go.
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Post by Panzerfaust on Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:10 pm

it's got brass bushings on the gears already, so a quick spring change and it should be set.

I'm hearing great things about the new madbull ultimate hopup unit.
http://www.airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php/Shop-by-Airsoft-Rifle-Type/M4-Airsoft-Guns/M4-Airsoft-Parts-and-Accessories/MadBull-M4-Ultimate-Hop-Up-Unit.html

it's also readily convertible to a hopup tracer unit with the addition of the LED component.

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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:08 pm

Sweet!
My brother is going to get
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_68_518&products_id=30248
for his gun.
Andrew, would you recommend installing a whisper piston/cylinder head on either or both of these guns? Would it be an upgrade, downgrade, not much dif? Here is the one I had in mind:
http://weaponblender.com/index.php?productID=1587
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Post by Ninja Scott on Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:27 pm

Have your brother compress the spring for a few days when he gets it. I bought that same gear box and it was shooting a bit hot for our rules.

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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:45 pm

Ya, I told him that. he said he'd rather it settle right at 400 than start above and settle bellow. I've seen things you attach to the end of your barrel that reduce your muzzle velocity. Any experience with those? Then he could use the same gun for a sniper, reg field marine, or CQB.
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Post by Panzerfaust on Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:04 pm

The G&G cylinder/piston setup should be getting excellent compression out of the box. If you're not particularly interested in the slight noise dampening the whisper will provide and the airflow(which will actually increase fps by 10-20) I think you'd be ok without it. I really wouldn't suggest upgrading parts (main springs aside) in either of those gearboxes until a part fails and needs to be replaced.
If you're [validly] concerned about cracking the front of your gearbox again, Ajax at TAS in Orem has come up with a shock transfer system (STS) which is pretty good at transferring the energy from the piston impact into the rest of the receiver, saving your gearbox from having to absorb most the blow. It's something worth looking into at least.

http://www.tacticalairsoftsupply.com/shop/ajax-customs-shock-transfer-system.html

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Post by Ninja Scott on Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:13 pm

TopJobAsphalt wrote:Ya, I told him that. he said he'd rather it settle right at 400 than start above and settle bellow. I've seen things you attach to the end of your barrel that reduce your muzzle velocity. Any experience with those? Then he could use the same gun for a sniper, reg field marine, or CQB.

Velocity reducers do not work very well at all. To answer your question I'd say NO. You would most likely need to swap out the spring.

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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:17 pm

Huh. thats alot of money. How does it work? Where does it install? Interesting.
The whisper head claims to reduce the stress on your gearbox. Do you think it does make a dif?

good to know scott. I'll tell him if the spring doesn't settle low enough then he'll need to swap springs. I've done that once before, we should be able to get it done.
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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:30 pm

reidc wrote:he mentioned that every G&G he has purchased has had to have the hop up replaced. (He owns 5 or more).
What causes a hopup to have to be replaced?
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Post by Panzerfaust on Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:22 pm

I'd replace one if it slipped around and wouldn't hold a setting or if it was the point of a serious loss of compression. Otherwise I'm not sure.

Can you post a link to the whisper setups you're talking about? I'm familiar with the systema silent cylinderhead/pistonhead styled setups, but I'm not quite sure which one this is.

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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:25 pm

http://weaponblender.com/index.php?productID=1587
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Post by TopJobAsphalt on Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:38 am

I put the order in for the G&G!! Im very excited.
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Post by Panzerfaust on Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:38 pm

Very Happy sweet!

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Post by Funkytownman on Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:49 pm

About the whisper, if it's doin what i THINK it's doin, it's just got a sorbothane pad kit installed to the piston head. You can buy those separately, but essentially it puts a cushiony pad on the piston head that DOES indeed make your gun quieter a lil, and it kinda makes sense that it would increase the durability of your gun a bit Smile

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